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Phoebe Elizabeth Douglas^1,2

F, #20500, b. circa 1800

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EVENT	DATE	DETAILS
Birth	circa 1800	Phoebe Elizabeth Douglas was born circa 1800 at England; based on her age of 29 when she was convicted in 1829.
Marriage		Phoebe Elizabeth was married to Joseph Guest.¹

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DATE

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Birth

circa 1800

Phoebe Elizabeth Douglas was born circa 1800 at England; based on her age of 29 when she was convicted in 1829.

Marriage

Phoebe Elizabeth was married to Joseph Guest.¹

Also Known As

Description	Date	Name
Married Name		Her married name was Guest.¹

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Date

Name

Married Name

Her married name was Guest.¹

Criminal Record

Date	Place	Details
19 February 1829	the Old Bailey, London, England	Phoebe Elizabeth Douglas was MARY ANN KING, PHOEBE DOUGLAS, ANN NORRIS, theft : simple grand larceny, 19th February, 1829. The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18290219-57 view a gif image of the original file See original Trial Summary: * Crime(s): theft : simple grand larceny, * Punishment Type: transportation, (Punishment details may be provided at the end of the trial.) * Verdict: Guilty, Guilty, Guilty, * Other trials on 19 Feb 1829 * Name search for: MARY ANN KING, PHOEBE DOUGLAS, ANN NORRIS, * Crime Location: Mile-end-road * Associated Records... Original Text: 583. MARY ANN KING , PHOEBE DOUGLAS , and ANN NORRIS , were indicted for stealing, on the 9th of February, 30 yards of printed cotton, value 19s. , the goods of James Compigne . MARY COMPIGNE . I am the wife of James Compigne , a linen-draper, of Mile-end-road. About four o'clock on the 9th of February, King came and wished to look at some prints; I shewed her several - she said they were not genteel enough - I shewed her some others, and then she asked for some more; she offered me 1s. 4d. a yard for one which I asked 1s. 10d. for: after she had detained me about eight or ten minutes, the other two prisoners came in together, and wished to look at a print in the window, which was very difficult to get at; I asked them to take a seat, but King detained me so long that I went and gave them the gown-piece out of the window -I was there, perhaps, about three minutes; I then returned to King, and she said I knew her terms - I said I could not take it; she went out rather fast, and I went to the other two; they said the print I had shown them was not dark enough - Douglas said she was a poor servant, and had seven children, and hoped I would take as little as I could for two dresses - I offered to take off half-a-crown; she had a child which was very troublesome -Norris walked towards the door with it, and they went away; I then stood a bit, went into the parlour, and said I had lost something, I was sure I had, but I did not miss them till Brown, the officer, brought these prints the next day - they are the prints which I had shewn them; this is one which King said was not genteel enough - this one she said was only fit for children's frocks; this she did not like, and this was not enough to make a dress: the prisoners did not speak to each other to my knowledge, and none of them made any purchase.(Property produced and sworn to.) JOHN BROWN . I am an officer. On the 9th of February, I saw Douglas and Norris, about ten minutes before five o'clock, on the opposite side of the street, and King was on the same side as I was, with a bundle: I and Waters stopped her at the corner of Church-street, Bethnal-green, and took her into the Adam and Eve public-house - we found all these articles on her, which she said she had bought of a tallyman, who came to her house; I asked if she could tell where he lived, and she said No; we then searched her, and she had no money - we brought her out again, crossed over, and took the other prisoners, and took them all into another public-house; King then said, "Phoebe, have you been with me to-day?" Douglas said, "No, Nance, have you been with me to-day?" Norris said No; we took King, but let the other two go: but from further information we went again, and took them: last Saturday, as I was going up stairs at the office, I heard Douglas, whose voice I knew, call to a man in the lock-up place, and say, "George, it's all up," for the fatements were on them; he said, "Why did you not go in somewhere, and take them off?" she said, "We had not a bl-y farthing among us:" we took the prisoners about three-quarters of a mile from the prosecutor's. THOMAS WATERS . I was with Brown, and saw Douglas and Norris on the opposite side of the way; I called Brown's attention to them, and at that moment we saw King with the bundle; we took her into the house, and found these things; I then went out, and overtook the other two about one hundred yards off - we found nothing on them, and let them go; but on the Thursday morning we went and took them again - we asked them if they had been in any shop with King: they said No. KING'S Defence. I never was in the prosecutor's shop- I know nothing of these other women; the things were given me by a tallyman. DUGLAS'S Defence. I never saw this lady before I was at Worship-street: what the officers have stated is false- they knew me for some time. NORRIS' Defence. I was not on the same side of the way with King; the time I was first taken I had half a crown in my hand - I had been no higher than Bethnal-green school that day; I had not been in the road at all; on the Tuesday Waters met a lad in the Bethnal-green-road, he asked where I lived, and gave him brandy, and said if he told me of it he would police him. KING - GUILTY . Aged 22. DOUGLAS - GUILTY . Aged 29. NORRIS - GUILTY . Aged 26. Transported for Seven Years on 19 February 1829 at the Old Bailey, London, England.³

Date

Place

Details

19 February 1829

the Old Bailey, London, England

Phoebe Elizabeth Douglas was

MARY ANN KING, PHOEBE DOUGLAS, ANN NORRIS, theft : simple grand larceny, 19th February, 1829.
The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18290219-57
view a gif image of the original file
See original
Trial Summary:

* Crime(s): theft : simple grand larceny,
* Punishment Type: transportation,
(Punishment details may be provided at the end of the trial.)
* Verdict: Guilty, Guilty, Guilty,
* Other trials on 19 Feb 1829
* Name search for: MARY ANN KING, PHOEBE DOUGLAS, ANN NORRIS,
* Crime Location: Mile-end-road
* Associated Records...

Original Text:

583. MARY ANN KING , PHOEBE DOUGLAS , and ANN NORRIS , were indicted for stealing, on the 9th of February, 30 yards of printed cotton, value 19s. , the goods of James Compigne .

MARY COMPIGNE . I am the wife of James Compigne , a linen-draper, of Mile-end-road. About four o'clock on the 9th of February, King came and wished to look at some prints; I shewed her several - she said they were not genteel enough - I shewed her some others, and then she asked for some more; she offered me 1s. 4d. a yard for one which I asked 1s. 10d. for: after she had detained me about eight or ten minutes, the other two prisoners came in together, and wished to look at a print in the window, which was very difficult to get at; I asked them to take a seat, but King detained me so long that I went and gave them the gown-piece out of the window -I was there, perhaps, about three minutes; I then returned to King, and she said I knew her terms - I said I could not take it; she went out rather fast, and I went to the other two; they said the print I had shown them was not dark enough - Douglas said she was a poor servant, and had seven children, and hoped I would take as little as I could for two dresses - I offered to take off half-a-crown; she had a child which was very troublesome -Norris walked towards the door with it, and they went away; I then stood a bit, went into the parlour, and said I had lost something, I was sure I had, but I did not miss them till Brown, the officer, brought these prints the next day - they are the prints which I had shewn them; this is one which King said was not genteel enough - this one she said was only fit for children's frocks; this she did not like, and this was not enough to make a dress: the prisoners did not speak to each other to my knowledge, and none of them made any purchase.(Property produced and sworn to.)

JOHN BROWN . I am an officer. On the 9th of February, I saw Douglas and Norris, about ten minutes before five o'clock, on the opposite side of the street, and King was on the same side as I was, with a bundle: I and Waters stopped her at the corner of Church-street, Bethnal-green, and took her into the Adam and Eve public-house - we found all these articles on her, which she said she had bought of a tallyman, who came to her house; I asked if she could tell where he lived, and she said No; we then searched her, and she had no money - we brought her out again, crossed over, and took the other prisoners, and took them all into another public-house; King then said,

"Phoebe, have you been with me to-day?" Douglas said, "No, Nance, have you been with me to-day?" Norris said No; we took King, but let the other two go: but from further information we went again, and took them: last Saturday, as I was going up stairs at the office, I heard Douglas, whose voice I knew, call to a man in the lock-up place, and say, "George, it's all up," for the fatements were on them; he said, "Why did you not go in somewhere, and take them off?" she said, "We had not a bl-y farthing among us:" we took the prisoners about three-quarters of a mile from the prosecutor's.

THOMAS WATERS . I was with Brown, and saw Douglas and Norris on the opposite side of the way; I called Brown's attention to them, and at that moment we saw King with the bundle; we took her into the house, and found these things; I then went out, and overtook the other two about one hundred yards off - we found nothing on them, and let them go; but on the Thursday morning we went and took them again - we asked them if they had been in any shop with King: they said No.

KING'S Defence. I never was in the prosecutor's shop- I know nothing of these other women; the things were given me by a tallyman.

DUGLAS'S Defence. I never saw this lady before I was at Worship-street: what the officers have stated is false- they knew me for some time.

NORRIS' Defence. I was not on the same side of the way with King; the time I was first taken I had half a crown in my hand - I had been no higher than Bethnal-green school that day; I had not been in the road at all; on the Tuesday Waters met a lad in the Bethnal-green-road, he asked where I lived, and gave him brandy, and said if he told me of it he would police him.

KING - GUILTY . Aged 22.

DOUGLAS - GUILTY . Aged 29.

NORRIS - GUILTY . Aged 26.

Transported for Seven Years on 19 February 1829 at the Old Bailey, London, England.³

Family

Joseph Guest b. c 1806, d. 12 Mar 1877

Children

Joseph Guest² b. 1 Jan 1835
Thomas Guest+¹ b. 27 Dec 1838

Last Edited

19 Oct 2005

Citations

[S54] Letter, Georgina Collins to Gordon Mote, 28 April 1999, Page 7.
[S552] Joan Brewer, "Joseph Guest's Family," e-mail to Robert Mote, October 2005.
[S553] Proceedings of the Old Bailey, online http://www.oldbaileyonline.org, (copy of text taken 19 October 2005) 19 February 1829 - trial of Mary Ann King, Phoebe Douglas and Ann Norris (t18290219-57.