F, #20500, b. circa 1800
|Birth||circa 1800||Phoebe Elizabeth Douglas was born circa 1800 at England; based on her age of 29 when she was convicted in 1829.|
|Marriage||Phoebe Elizabeth was married to Joseph Guest.1|
Also Known As
|Married Name||Her married name was Guest.1|
|19 February 1829||the Old Bailey, London, England||Phoebe Elizabeth Douglas was |
MARY ANN KING, PHOEBE DOUGLAS, ANN NORRIS, theft : simple grand larceny, 19th February, 1829.
The Proceedings of the Old Bailey Ref: t18290219-57
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* Crime(s): theft : simple grand larceny,
* Punishment Type: transportation,
(Punishment details may be provided at the end of the trial.)
* Verdict: Guilty, Guilty, Guilty,
* Other trials on 19 Feb 1829
* Name search for: MARY ANN KING, PHOEBE DOUGLAS, ANN NORRIS,
* Crime Location: Mile-end-road
* Associated Records...
583. MARY ANN KING , PHOEBE DOUGLAS , and ANN NORRIS , were indicted for stealing, on the 9th of February, 30 yards of printed cotton, value 19s. , the goods of James Compigne .
MARY COMPIGNE . I am the wife of James Compigne , a linen-draper, of Mile-end-road. About four o'clock on the 9th of February, King came and wished to look at some prints; I shewed her several - she said they were not genteel enough - I shewed her some others, and then she asked for some more; she offered me 1s. 4d. a yard for one which I asked 1s. 10d. for: after she had detained me about eight or ten minutes, the other two prisoners came in together, and wished to look at a print in the window, which was very difficult to get at; I asked them to take a seat, but King detained me so long that I went and gave them the gown-piece out of the window -I was there, perhaps, about three minutes; I then returned to King, and she said I knew her terms - I said I could not take it; she went out rather fast, and I went to the other two; they said the print I had shown them was not dark enough - Douglas said she was a poor servant, and had seven children, and hoped I would take as little as I could for two dresses - I offered to take off half-a-crown; she had a child which was very troublesome -Norris walked towards the door with it, and they went away; I then stood a bit, went into the parlour, and said I had lost something, I was sure I had, but I did not miss them till Brown, the officer, brought these prints the next day - they are the prints which I had shewn them; this is one which King said was not genteel enough - this one she said was only fit for children's frocks; this she did not like, and this was not enough to make a dress: the prisoners did not speak to each other to my knowledge, and none of them made any purchase.(Property produced and sworn to.)
JOHN BROWN . I am an officer. On the 9th of February, I saw Douglas and Norris, about ten minutes before five o'clock, on the opposite side of the street, and King was on the same side as I was, with a bundle: I and Waters stopped her at the corner of Church-street, Bethnal-green, and took her into the Adam and Eve public-house - we found all these articles on her, which she said she had bought of a tallyman, who came to her house; I asked if she could tell where he lived, and she said No; we then searched her, and she had no money - we brought her out again, crossed over, and took the other prisoners, and took them all into another public-house; King then said,
"Phoebe, have you been with me to-day?" Douglas said, "No, Nance, have you been with me to-day?" Norris said No; we took King, but let the other two go: but from further information we went again, and took them: last Saturday, as I was going up stairs at the office, I heard Douglas, whose voice I knew, call to a man in the lock-up place, and say, "George, it's all up," for the fatements were on them; he said, "Why did you not go in somewhere, and take them off?" she said, "We had not a bl-y farthing among us:" we took the prisoners about three-quarters of a mile from the prosecutor's.
THOMAS WATERS . I was with Brown, and saw Douglas and Norris on the opposite side of the way; I called Brown's attention to them, and at that moment we saw King with the bundle; we took her into the house, and found these things; I then went out, and overtook the other two about one hundred yards off - we found nothing on them, and let them go; but on the Thursday morning we went and took them again - we asked them if they had been in any shop with King: they said No.
KING'S Defence. I never was in the prosecutor's shop- I know nothing of these other women; the things were given me by a tallyman.
DUGLAS'S Defence. I never saw this lady before I was at Worship-street: what the officers have stated is false- they knew me for some time.
NORRIS' Defence. I was not on the same side of the way with King; the time I was first taken I had half a crown in my hand - I had been no higher than Bethnal-green school that day; I had not been in the road at all; on the Tuesday Waters met a lad in the Bethnal-green-road, he asked where I lived, and gave him brandy, and said if he told me of it he would police him.
KING - GUILTY . Aged 22.
DOUGLAS - GUILTY . Aged 29.
NORRIS - GUILTY . Aged 26.
Transported for Seven Years on 19 February 1829 at the Old Bailey, London, England.3
|Joseph Guest b. c 1806, d. 12 Mar 1877|
|Last Edited||19 Oct 2005|
- [S54] Letter, Georgina Collins to Gordon Mote, 28 April 1999, Page 7.
- [S552] Joan Brewer, "Joseph Guest's Family," e-mail to Robert Mote, October 2005.
- [S553] Proceedings of the Old Bailey, online http://www.oldbaileyonline.org, (copy of text taken 19 October 2005) 19 February 1829 - trial of Mary Ann King, Phoebe Douglas and Ann Norris (t18290219-57.